Workshop Attendees:
Shane Baptista
Carrie Clements
Peter Fritzler
John Osinski
Anne Pemberton
Virtual Web Quest about Learning Spaces
Objective: Develop some ideas about constitutes an excellent virtual learning space in 3D immersive environments
What should virtual learning spaces look like? Will they be just be a replica of what exists in 2007 in real life, or will they be much more creative and informal?
Work as a team to identify what makes a good virtual world learning space and why. Be prepared with some remarks for the next workshop session.
Set up a team meeting to visit learning spaces on Second Life.
Make sure you identify a ‘meeting chairperson’ and a scribe to take notes so that you can refer to them later. To save the chat history, click Edit --> Preferences --> Communication --> click Log Chat and choose a location on your computer for the text file.
Visit a number of learning spaces in Second Life using the Resources section below as a starting point, and look at how they have been set up. What are the key features of each learning space you visited? – and how will you know if they are successful learning spaces that help learners to learn?
(To search for these locations, use Search --> Places tab --> include mature content )
• SL Ecosystem [SL Location: Terminus 147, 106, 27] – Search term: SL Ecosystem.
• Academy of Second Learning: ASL [SL Location: Eson 32, 162, 351] – Search term: Academy of Second Learning.
• SL Computer History Museum [SL Location: Info Island II 241, 54, 23] – Search Term: SL Computer History Museum.
• EduNation [SL Location: EduNation 70, 49, 23] – Search term: EduNation. Free seminar facilities for educators.
• Reef Ball Coral Reef Library [SL Location: Changmi 167, 81, 110] - Search term: Reef Ball.
• English Village [SL Location: English Village 131, 156, 126] – Search term: English Village
• Literature Alive [SL Location: Eduisland II 186, 241, 22] Search term: literature alive.
. Terra Incognita [SL Location: Terra incognita 156 99 33] Search term: Terra Incognita
This learning activity has been adapted from http://www.sleducationuk.net/ for a more detailed version of this virtual quest that includes ideas about evaluating the activity and suggests some additional outcomes. Visit Education UK island: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Education%20UK/248/39/22
Here is the transcript from the TLT workshop on July 5, 2007:
[9:47] Ida Recreant: Hi Kristie!
[9:48] Computer Jewell: LOL
[9:48] Dunora Allen: My 12 year old and I spent a memorable afternoon learning to fly. She thinks mom is a real klutz now!
[9:48] Dunora Allen: I find it odd to see the people I'm chatting with - I am used to disembodied names.
[9:48] Ariadne Yiyuan: I really like the Talk feature. But it's hard to find anybody to talk to. I spend a lot of time talking to myself -- I have 2 avatars. lol
[9:49] Computer Jewell: My family think that I am crazy 68 year old grandmother doing this.
[9:49] Ida Recreant: Dunora, children take to this so easily. My daughter's 25, and I asked her to tell me if she'd like to use this for a class sometime. She thought it was so interesting, and surpassed me in visiting places and talking to people.
[9:49] Ida Recreant: That's funny Ariadne! You're your own best friend.
[9:49] Drew Rodinia: It reminds me of the early days of using chat rooms on services such as AOL.
[9:50] JuliaJ Jewell: You're lucky to have younger ones to help you!
[9:50] Dunora Allen: Yes, I remember that; I was an avid chatter, although arthritis has reduced my ability to type as quickly :)
[9:50] Ida Recreant: Well Dunora, you've just got to eliminate the RL arthritis, because we are now in SL.
[9:51] You: Do you all know how to make it day time in here? It is night time in SL for me
[9:51] Dunora Allen: Ha, I wish. I think that I'll study assistive technologies combined with a dis-embody to get away from it.
[9:51] Ida Recreant: Julia, it is helpful to try this from another's perspective. I've also asked students in the computer lab to use it, and they've all passed me--but it helps me to work with themj.
[9:51] Nea Munro: Go to World, Force Sun and select noon
[9:51] You: Thank you! Much better!
[9:52] Computer Jewell: Much better
[9:52] Dunora Allen: So where is everyone from?
[9:52] Ida Recreant: Dunora, Fresno, CA
[9:52] You: Wilmington, NC
[9:53] JuliaJ Jewell: thanks for the time change directions! I can see all of you much better now
[9:53] Kate Bradley: louisville, KY
[9:53] Computer Jewell: Phoenix, arizona
[9:53] Dunora Allen: Satellite Beach, FL
[9:53] JuliaJ Jewell: Azusa, Ca
[9:53] Dunora Allen: Yes, it's much brighter here!
[9:53] Sher Kohnke: Monterey CA
[9:53] Dunora Allen: Montery - home of the bus-sized sharks! (I surf)
[9:53] Ida Recreant: Sher and Julia, we're almost neighbors!
[9:54] Joe Cupola: Hi everyone.
[9:54] Drew Rodinia: hi, Joe!
[9:54] Kate Bradley: hello
[9:54] Ida Recreant: Hi Joe.
[9:54] JuliaJ Jewell: Yes... we are!
[9:57] Ilene Pratt: Steve!!
[9:57] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:58] Ida Recreant: What subjects does everyone teach? I teach business law, business ethics and similar courses
[9:58] You: I'm a librarian
[9:58] Dunora Allen: Technical Writing and Composition.
[9:58] Sher Kohnke: I'm an instructional designer
[9:58] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:58] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:58] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:58] Computer Jewell: I teach WWW technology and CIS courses
[9:58] Ilene Pratt: Hey, guys, hi!
[9:58] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:58] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Thanks Ilene
[9:58] Ida Recreant: Kristie, I'd like to talk to you sometime as our library is considering working on second life.
[9:58] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:58] Meghan Forder: Instructional coordinator: I teach computers to instructors
[9:58] Ida Recreant: HI Ilene
[9:58] You: Ida - that would be great!
[9:59] Joe Cupola: HI Ilene.
[9:59] Ilene Pratt: I'm going to log off for a minute and get right back on. See you in a sec!
[9:59] You have offered friendship to Ida Recreant
[9:59] Ida Recreant: Hi Meghan, I am a faculty advisor that also helps instructors teach online.
[9:59] Dunora Allen: Ida, that's a cool job - I love my instructional designer :)
[9:59] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[9:59] Ida Recreant: Well Dunora, I learn just as much as I try to teach . . .so it is a cool job.
[10:00] Dunora Allen: Don't we all? That's the lure of teaching
[10:00] Meghan Forder: I like being able to investigate new technology all the time
[10:00] Drew Rodinia: We are!
[10:01] Drew Rodinia: Thanks, Lisa!
[10:01] Drew Rodinia: Ilene, did you want to start, or should I?
[10:01] Ilene Pratt: Drew, go ahead!
[10:01] Drew Rodinia: ok...welcome, everyone!
[10:01] Ilene Pratt: I'll make sure I start a transcript of our chat.
[10:01] Drew Rodinia: Your arriving here in the auditorium in Cybrary City is an important first step.
[10:02] Drew Rodinia: We're going to use this hour to discuss educational goals and how the tools should meet those goals.
[10:02] Drew Rodinia: So let me ask you all to do this for us....
[10:02] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:02] Drew Rodinia: and you can do this all at the same time, as you like...
[10:02] Drew Rodinia: Tell us, in a sentence or two, what would be an educational objective/goal....
[10:03] Drew Rodinia: that you would like to meet, and that you think Second Life would be able to help you fulfill.
[10:03] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: shared technologies! :)
[10:03] Drew Rodinia: Jazz, your objective is shared technologies? Could you elaborate?
[10:03] JuliaJ Jewell: To identify ways in second life that I can use it as another "way of learning" for my undergrads.... A way that I can build this into the course.
[10:03] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Help some faculty at a university find ways of using SmartBoards in classrooms that take advantage of that technology - not just fancy version of chalkboard!
[10:03] Ida Recreant: To help students see issues, e.g. legal issues, from the perspective of a variety of stakeholders, through experience
[10:04] Drew Rodinia: Julia, what kind of undergrads do you have?
[10:04] JuliaJ Jewell: Can you clarify?
[10:04] Meghan Forder: building communities
[10:04] Meghan Forder: building communities
[10:04] Drew Rodinia: Ida, can you give some examples of legal issues?
[10:04] Diane42b Vollmar: I would like to engage in more proactive dialogue surrounding black education history.
[10:04] Dunora Allen: Honestly, I do a lot of group work in my online classes, and I'm looking for a way to help my students form more realistic communities.
[10:04] Drew Rodinia: Julia, are they in certain disciplines? Certain courses?
[10:04] Kate Bradley: to find the best use of this environment for teaching
[10:05] Drew Rodinia: Dunora, interesting! What do you find lacking in your existing online classes?
[10:05] Drew Rodinia: Kate, what types of teaching are you trying to accomplish?
[10:05] Computer Jewell: possibly use SL as a delivery system for some content in our online classes.
[10:05] Ida Recreant: Drew, for example, I'm teaching a sports marketing law class in the fall and I'd like students to be able to negotiate an indorsement contract to represent a company and to look at the implications of such a contract to the community, the company, the athlete, etc.
[10:05] JuliaJ Jewell: I chair the undergrad program, so would be interested in all. But, I teach behavioral courses, so thought that the online component might be something useful for community, conflict resolution, group dynamics... I'm not sure, but assume there's alot here for me to learn and apply ;,)
[10:05] Ariadne Yiyuan: I'd like to see more intra-curriculum building. SL incorporates so many disciplines, it would be nice to develop a class that would extend throughout the college.
[10:05] Drew Rodinia: Diane, what tools are you already using for that?
[10:05] Drew Rodinia: Ida, very interesting!!!
[10:05] Dunora Allen: The students HAVE to form groups, but I've noticed in my f2f classes the groups tend to communicate better and be more invested in the group's project. I'd like to find a way to replicate that experience for my fully online students.
[10:06] Kate Bradley: i want to help instructors know how to best use the environment for their classes, whatever the subject
[10:06] Drew Rodinia: Julia, are you already using tools to meet those kinds of goals?
[10:06] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:06] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:06] JuliaJ Jewell: 5 different business majors... Finance, Acctg, Mktg, IB and general Bus Admin
[10:06] Ida Recreant: Dunora and Julia, I also use groups and the dynamics are definitely different in the online courses--I'd like them to get better.
[10:06] Drew Rodinia: so some of you are teaching specific subjects, and some of you are in a faculty support role helping a variety of faculty?
[10:07] Kate Bradley: yes, I support faculty
[10:07] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:07] Ida Recreant: Drew, I actually do both;
[10:07] Drew Rodinia: Ida, ah!
[10:07] JuliaJ Jewell: Drew, you're right
[10:07] Computer Jewell: yes. I do both.
[10:07] Dunora Allen: I teach technical and professional writing, and am always looking for ways to model real-life experiences.
[10:07] Drew Rodinia: Can some of you talk a bit about the tools you're already using? And what is lacking in them?
[10:07] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:07] Kate Bradley: we use Bb, there is not a lot active learning
[10:07] Diane42b Vollmar: i am a doctoral student and expect to be in a faculty/research position soon. so i am interested in SL for teaching and research.
[10:07] Drew Rodinia: Dunora, so modeling of real life is an objective for you?
[10:08] Ida Recreant: I use blackboard's discussion forum and some occasional online virtual chat
[10:08] Ilene Pratt: Kate, you are right about Blackboard - It's a great place to save files and trade messages - but it seems sort of flat!
[10:08] Ariadne Yiyuan: We are using WebCT. I find it to be a confining box. This gives me much more creative freedom.
[10:08] Drew Rodinia: so some of you are usin gmessage boards and some online chat
[10:08] Ida Recreant: Actually, I think I just want to say "ditto" to everyone
[10:08] Kate Bradley: yes
[10:08] Ida Recreant: 's objectives
[10:08] Dunora Allen: I use WebCT and online chat systems (Trillium).
[10:09] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:09] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:09] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:09] Drew Rodinia: so we've got teaching faculty, and people who support
[10:09] Drew Rodinia: so we've got teaching faculty, and people who support faculty, and some use Blackboard (or similar) systems, but they aren't enough?
[10:09] Nea Munro: I teach Psychiatric Nurse Practitioners. An objective is that the students learn to do pspychotherapy, and understand group dynamics, so I am interested in what Julia Jewel and Ida Recrant have to say.
[10:09] JuliaJ Jewell: what was that? Prey tell, did a studnt enter our midsts?
[10:10] You: Is anyone (other than Ida) using this in their library?
[10:10] Kate Bradley: yes Drew, I would agree
[10:10] Drew Rodinia: ok, this is helpin me to understand where you are now....
[10:10] Dunora Allen: Exactly - they are one-dimensional, and students seem to feel that way as well.
[10:10] Drew Rodinia: so your objectives are....I'm gonna go out on a limb here....
[10:10] Kate Bradley: Kristie- no library use for us yet
[10:10] Drew Rodinia: some richer communication experiences? Modeling of real life? What else?
[10:11] Ida Recreant: Kristie, we haven't used it in the library yet; there's interest in exploring the use of SL
[10:11] You: Great
[10:11] Ilene Pratt: Kristie, Drew and Joe and I are librarians - but not a lot going on directly at USF yet in SL - mostly just us!
[10:11] Nea Munro: I would love to find a group of nursing educators who ar interested in building and practice community for nurse practitioner students.
[10:11] Ida Recreant: Drew, that sounds good to me
[10:11] You have offered friendship to Drew Rodinia
[10:11] Drew Rodinia: Nea, what would that look like, do you think?
[10:11] You have offered friendship to Joe Cupola
[10:11] JuliaJ Jewell: My thought is that we already have the 4 ways of learning... hearing, doing... could second life be another form of learning?
[10:11] Ilene Pratt: Nea, there are other health educators on here - I think I can get you a list!
[10:11] Computer Jewell: Yes it could be
[10:12] Ariadne Yiyuan: Risk taking. I've done things in SL I would never do in RL. I think the quiet students would be more inclined to interact.
[10:12] Drew Rodinia: Julia, exchange of voice...building things? Those types of learning?
[10:12] Ida Recreant: JuliaJ yes, perhaps experiencing--
[10:12] Nea Munro: I think it would have a number of families who lived together in a community who could be virtual patients for the nurse practitioner student's clinical practice - a virtual clinical practice site.
[10:12] Drew Rodinia: Ariadne, could you give an example? (of the risk taking)
[10:12] Dunora Allen: Although one problem that I've found is the initial learning curve is a little steep for us older students :)
[10:12] Ida Recreant: Dunora, Amen to that!
[10:12] Computer Jewell: I agree abut the learning curve!!!
[10:12] Drew Rodinia: Nea, so some role playing?
[10:12] Joe Cupola: Juliaj I think it definitely could be.
[10:12] JuliaJ Jewell: I agree
[10:12] Ida Recreant: Nea, I like that idea; I'd like to do something similar
[10:13] Ilene Pratt: Dunora, it's steep for younger users as well . It's something to consider in planning a course here.
[10:13] Kate Bradley: we are exploring role play for our classes
[10:13] JuliaJ Jewell: thanks Joe!
[10:13] Ida Recreant: Of course, in a legal system--but more similar to RL
[10:13] Dunora Allen: The role playing aspect is interesting to me - modeling job interviews, etec.
[10:13] Nea Munro: Yes, role playing where faculty may model psychotherapy by having a student as a patient, and also by having students participate as "patients' of other students for the purpose of learning psychotherapy.
[10:13] Computer Jewell: What about the students who do not have the computing demands of SL?
[10:13] Drew Rodinia: Ida, role playing in a legal environment? Is the environment physical, or is it more about the roles?
[10:13] Diane42b Vollmar: One thing that has concerned me about using SL for instruction is the technology learning curve, particularly for older students.
[10:13] Ariadne Yiyuan: I've just gone up to complete strangers and talked to them. I have no idea who these people are. The first time I was shot, I was devastated. But Iearned I could live through anything in SL.
[10:14] Drew Rodinia: Ariadne, so it's easier to communicate with strangers here, then?
[10:14] Joe Cupola: the ability to do roleplaying is one of the strengths 2L has to offer
[10:14] JuliaJ Jewell: adriadne, someone shot you?
[10:14] SteveGilbertSir Heron: are these gun shot noises from within SL?
[10:14] Dunora Allen: For me, it was easier to communicate with strangers when I couldn't see them.
[10:14] Ida Recreant: Nea, Drew, I found the same thing was true in the old chat rooms; it was easier to talk to strangers.
[10:14] Drew Rodinia: Steve, yes
[10:14] Ariadne Yiyuan: Yes. I teach languages. So I get some very good experiences.
[10:15] Nea Munro: I can imagine hiring actors to take on a particular patient - with a background scenario, as well - just like simulated patients in real life.
[10:15] Ilene Pratt: Xena, are you exploding?
[10:15] Xena Meriman: umm no
[10:15] Dunora Allen: The visual aspect of this is jolting to me, but I suspect it's not so alarming for my students who are more used to role-laying games.
[10:15] Drew Rodinia: if you're hearing gunshots, you can right-click on the source and choose "Mute"
[10:15] You: Just gas?
[10:16] Xena Meriman: no it is something I won, I can't remember the name of it
[10:16] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Only slightly delayed celebration of July 4?
[10:16] Drew Rodinia: so we were looking for things that we can do here that help us meet our educational objectives
[10:16] Hydrangea Lane: how do you mute the explosions?
[10:16] Xena Meriman: it is a COLOR ORB
[10:16] You: Has anyone (faculty) bought a classroom? As opposed to an island?
[10:17] Drew Rodinia: and that means role playing, or talking people (strangers) with less risk involved.
[10:17] Stella Merlin: What is the source of those gun fires so I can mute them?
[10:17] Computer Jewell: No not yet
[10:17] JuliaJ Jewell: I haven't bought anything
[10:17] AmsDiane Gustafson: not yet. where do you buy a classroom?
[10:17] Ilene Pratt: Kirstie, the New Media Consortium is renting out smaller spaces
[10:17] Drew Rodinia: well, I'm not hearing any explosions now
[10:17] Laureen Yiyuan: I'm still getting the gun shots
[10:17] Diane42b Vollmar: i am hearing the gun shots/explosions.
[10:17] Computer Jewell: me too
[10:17] You: Do they rent spaces or must you purchase a space? We are looking for several campus groups to share a room
[10:17] JuliaJ Jewell: I don't hear anything!
[10:18] Xena Meriman: oh my gosh I think it is my new COLOR ORB
[10:18] Xena Meriman: hold on let me get rid of it
[10:18] Ilene Pratt: There are some rental options - and sometimes you can find someone who will let you share space for a particular time period
[10:18] Xena Meriman: that's better
[10:18] Drew Rodinia: if you're still hearing the noises, right-click on the source and choose "Mute"
[10:18] Dunora Allen: I think that we could problem put together a group on campus to rent a space - a friend and I have talked about sharing a space between her ethics course and mine
[10:18] Xena Meriman: no, it was me, sorry
[10:18] Xena Meriman: I stopped it
[10:19] Computer Jewell: I don't hear it now. Thanks
[10:19] Dunora Allen: I felt kind of weird asking other faculty about it, but to my surprise I found several who were interested.
[10:19] Diane42b Vollmar: yes the shots have stopped. thanks!
[10:19] Laureen Yiyuan: what kind of costs are you talking about in renting
[10:19] Laureen Yiyuan: estimated
[10:19] Ilene Pratt: If you want your university to pay for space, you may be faced with some confusion - but others are doing it.
[10:19] Drew Rodinia: ok...although there is no official homework, there are some things I would encourage you to do at this point...
[10:19] Drew Rodinia: and certainly before next week...
[10:20] Computer Jewell: ok
[10:20] Drew Rodinia: write down a list of your educational objectives...
[10:20] Dunora Allen: And how would we go about making enough money to do it - would it have to be done in real-life money?
[10:20] Drew Rodinia: such as "role playing" or "language instruction with native speakers"....
[10:20] Drew Rodinia: and then write down what tools you've already been using, and why you think SL would help out.
[10:20] Ilene Pratt: Laureen - I've seen a lot of sharing going on - no money changing hands - up to a $2000 for an island for the year - to lots more for fancy buildings
[10:21] Drew Rodinia: What we're aiming at here is to get you ready to explore SL to see how SL can help you achieve your objectives.
[10:21] Drew Rodinia: Now, I realize that some of you have some very general objectives...
[10:21] Dunora Allen: Ah, see I wasn't even quite sure of where to start.
[10:21] Drew Rodinia: such as "getting to know the technology of SL so that I can help faculty who will be using it"
[10:21] Kayellen Ewing: I would like a list of tools that are available that have helped those already teaching here
[10:22] Ilene Pratt: Kayellen, there are some places to look for tools - ICT Library which is near here is one of them.
[10:22] Ariadne Yiyuan: Is anyone here from Europe? I'm wondering if I'm going to have any difficulties meeting next week.?
[10:22] Ida Recreant: I'd really like to engage in more collaborative--cross university uses; instead of everyone re-inventing the same thing
[10:22] Drew Rodinia: Between now and next week, we're also going to give you a list of SL places to visit...
[10:22] JuliaJ Jewell: I agree with Kayellen, I'd like to see what has already been done.. that would be most helpful
[10:22] Drew Rodinia: so that you can be exposed to a variety of learning environments.
[10:22] Drew Rodinia: Julia, yup! We're thinking alike here.
[10:22] Computer Jewell: I would like to see what is being done.
[10:23] Drew Rodinia: now, some of the places we'll give you aren't explicitly classrooms spaces, but they are useful for thinking how they can be used to teach
classrooms spaces, but they are useful for thinking how they can be used to teach and learn
[10:23] Kate Bradley: that sounds great
[10:23] Ilene Pratt: Oh - I'd like to add that you want to think... WHY A CLASSROOM? ???
[10:23] Ariadne Yiyuan: Could we meet in Desi's class and have her take us through it? That would be a nic example.
[10:23] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:23] Drew Rodinia: Some of you have already talked about the issues to deal with, like the learning curve....
[10:23] Drew Rodinia: Ilene, LOL
[10:24] Ilene Pratt: Adriadne, Desi advertises when her classes are in session and invites people to participate
[10:24] Dunora Allen: I was just thinking that, Ilene. The only thing that I've identified as a positive for a classroom would be a sense of private space.
[10:24] Joe Cupola: Once you start exploring here, you'll find lots of places that could be used to teach and learn even thought they aren't specifically set up for that.
[10:24] Drew Rodinia: Yeah, one of the things we need you to think about is...does the objective I have in mind require a "classroom"? Or something else?
[10:24] Drew Rodinia: Dunora, a place where you won't be interrupted?
[10:24] Joe Cupola: exactly, why recreate a "standard" clasroom here when you don't have to operate in those confines?
[10:25] Drew Rodinia: No worries about power, plumbing, etc.
[10:25] Drew Rodinia: No worries about power, plumbing, etc.
[10:25] Kate Bradley: Joe- I agree
[10:25] Ida Recreant: Yes, Dunora, Ilene, I'd like a private space, but not necessarily a classroom--that's why I'm lookoing at collaboration
[10:25] Ilene Pratt: (Of course... here we are sitting rows facing a stage.)
[10:25] Drew Rodinia: Who here was doing the nursing-related scenario again?
[10:25] Dunora Allen: Except that I would prefer not to have to deal with disruptive members who aren't invested in my course.
[10:25] Ida Recreant: Ilene, we are so locked into the traditional way of doing things
[10:25] Stella Merlin: Drew -- underneath bodies of water in SL are usually pretty secluded.
[10:25] Drew Rodinia: Ilene, and we're sitting in rows because....(familiarity)
[10:26] Joe Cupola: Collaboration is another of the strong points 2L has to offer for educators here. It's ideal for setting up collaborations between individuals and within groups
[10:26] Drew Rodinia: Stella, oh good idea.
[10:26] You: I guess you can really meet anywhere you want to - under water, in a library, etc.
[10:26] Dunora Allen: When dealing with a new technology, we seem to look for familiar to ground us :)
[10:26] Drew Rodinia: Underwater learning spaces!
[10:26] Stella Merlin: :D
[10:26] Kayellen Ewing: I didn't think about that but I haven't drowned yet!
[10:26] Dunora Allen: At least I do.
[10:26] Drew Rodinia: Dunora, it can help in the learning curve, but you can move beyond that pretty fast
[10:26] Joe Cupola: Dunora, you can always set up your classes so that only those enrolled can enter the space.
[10:27] Dunora Allen: Yes, that was a question that I was (not) asking :).
[10:27] Drew Rodinia: Joe, can that be restricted to just part of an island?
[10:27] Drew Rodinia: OK, so part of what you may want is an educational space designed to prevent interruptions from non-students
[10:27] Drew Rodinia: Or, depending on the objective, you may *want* interruptions!
[10:28] Joe Cupola: yes it can be IF you happen to own that space.
[10:28] Drew Rodinia: Joe, is the restriction by group?
[10:28] Joe Cupola: you can restrict access to your parcel of land to those on a list
[10:28] Joe Cupola: yes you can make a group and do it that way
[10:28] Computer Jewell: So you have to buy first
[10:28] Joe Cupola: or by individuals
[10:28] Joe Cupola: or rent
[10:28] Joe Cupola: or get someone to loan you a space
[10:28] Drew Rodinia: So you can create a group for your class, add your students, and then say that only those in the group can visit the space.
[10:28] Joe Cupola: buying isn't the only option
[10:29] Joe Cupola: it's the only option IF you want the freedom to build on the land/parcel
[10:29] Drew Rodinia: You may want a group regardless because that makes it easier to communicate with all students at once.
[10:29] Nea Munro: I am doing the nursing scenario
[10:29] Joe Cupola: yes it does
[10:29] Drew Rodinia: Nea, ah! Let's talk about that some....can you describe it in more detail....it would help us visualize an example to build upon.
[10:29] Dunora Allen: Nea, we have a group of nursing instructors here at UCF who are working with evidence-based practice scenarios - they may be interested as well.
[10:30] Drew Rodinia: And don't forget that there is a Health Info island, and those folks might be willing to provide some space for learning?
[10:30] JuliaJ Jewell: so, if you have a group, can you then require studetns to be online at a specific time? Could you then print out the history to identify their communication, learnings?
[10:30] Drew Rodinia: Julia, the history of when they were online?
[10:31] Joe Cupola: Julia you can keep chat logs of when you were online
[10:31] JuliaJ Jewell: Joe, no of the communication, such as this email to you right now.
[10:31] Ilene Pratt: Hi! You can save the transcripts of chat for a session
[10:31] JuliaJ Jewell: Ilene, thanks
[10:31] Joe Cupola: and I suppose you could require your students to also send you their chat logs
[10:31] Ilene Pratt: On way ... To save a transcript, click HISTORY and copy and paste the contents into a word processor
[10:31] Drew Rodinia: Yes, chat transcripts can be saved...copied, posted to a website or message board.
[10:31] Ilene Pratt: Or... click EDIT --> PREFERENCES -->COMMUNICATION --> check Log Chat -->(change path) to choose a location for the file
[10:31] Kate Bradley: Ilene- can't you only save the chats when you are in SL? No history of when students are there otherwise?
[10:32] Drew Rodinia: So some of you want a record of when students are using SL?
[10:32] Joe Cupola: you could also probably set up something so that your students could send you a message when they logged on regardless of whether or not your'e on.
[10:32] Ilene Pratt: There are some "visitor counters" that will let you know you visited a place - but I don't know of a way to save their chat.
[10:32] Kate Bradley: possibly drew
[10:32] Drew Rodinia: Ilene and Joe, aren't there devices that can record guest visits? Don't they keep a log of some kind?
[10:32] Dunora Allen: Yes, I would certainly need something like that - right now I have them keep group logs of when they meet, so it doesn't have to be "official"
[10:32] Drew Rodinia: Yeah, the visitor counters.
[10:32] Ilene Pratt: Drew, yes! that's what I meant!
[10:32] Joe Cupola: well each individ can keep their own chat logs and send those to you.
[10:32] Drew Rodinia: Yeah, they are devices that sit in a place, and keep a record of who visits.
[10:33] Ilene Pratt: Is tracking visits by your students part of your assessment plan?
[10:33] Drew Rodinia: but if you wanted more than just who visited, you could require students to send you their logs.
[10:33] Nea Munro: Drew and Dunora, I would like to talke with you more about the nursing idea. What I envision is that we could put together a group of nursing educators to develope the idea further.
[10:33] Ilene Pratt: That's the best part of SL! Getting together and collaborating!
[10:33] Drew Rodinia: Nea, it woudl be great if we could involve some of the librarians from Health Info island, too
[10:33] JuliaJ Jewell: good idea.... it might be a way, from a research perspective, to have them analyze the qualitative data/comments of the log.
[10:34] Drew Rodinia: if you haven't had the opportunity, be sure to visit Health Info island....they have a presence from teh National Library of Medicine there
[10:34] Nea Munro: I envision each university might want to contribute a "family" who could live in the community. The members of the family could be the basis for undergraduate courses, where the students follow the dynamics and life. Different cultures could be represented.
[10:34] Dunora Allen: We have some grant money available next year through our SACS reaccreditation project (that I'm a part of) for that type of thing, so we would definitely be interested.
[10:34] Drew Rodinia: Nea, with the families being available during certain hours? A scheduled role-play?
[10:35] Ilene Pratt: Like hiring some actors to be a family? Like a 'reality tv" show?
[10:35] You: Drew, is this first session (of the 3) going to be primarily us chatting and asking questions? Or are there going to be some more concrete things going on?
[10:35] Nea Munro: I Yes, it would be scheduleded - but it could be very fluid - with a virutal vamily member, scheduling a clinic visit in a NP run mental health clinic, etc.
[10:36] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:36] Drew Rodinia: Kirstie, what we're imagining is that we're going to give you an "assignment" between now and next week, and that next week we'll see what you discovered during your assignment
[10:36] Ilene Pratt: Just pretend you are students <grin>
[10:36] Drew Rodinia: in this case, particularly educational environments that we'll ask you to visit.
[10:36] You: Ok. Thanks.
[10:36] Dunora Allen: I am still a student, so that fits :P. (ABD on a Philosophy PhD :))
[10:36] Drew Rodinia: Kirstie, but we'r ealso open to any ideas or suggestions that will help you get more out of this for your own needs.
[10:37] JuliaJ Jewell: Ilene... as long as I can have my real students help this SL student with the assignment ;,)
[10:37] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: you should chek the star wars place they have teachers and aprentices, yu have to create a new charachter with virtue
[10:37] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: very elaborated system!
[10:37] Drew Rodinia: Jazz, my avatar has to be virtuous?
[10:37] Laureen Yiyuan: I know so little that I need to explore what is out there, what other people are doing,
[10:37] Meghan Forder: Star Trek also has a fully developed academy
[10:37] Dunora Allen: I think that it would be nice to come up with some sort of deliverable that each of us wants from this session (for me, I think that it would be a thought-out educational objective and a list of co-ordinating resources)
[10:37] Drew Rodinia: Laureen, I think that's true of many of us...many people are trying things and we need to learn what those are.
[10:37] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: more or less is up to you to create a nice avatar and wise too
[10:38] SteveGilbertSir Heron: Probably the hardest thing about taking advantage of a new medium is figuring out some new ways of doing our old taks - and then, going beyond to new tasks - that weren't possible without the new medium
[10:38] Joe Cupola: exploration here is key for everyone
[10:38] Drew Rodinia: Dunora, yes....that's exactly what I would love for people to write down their educational objective and think about how SL might help fulfill it
[10:38] Nea Munro: I am not envisiong that the NPs would necessarily work with a whol family at a time, but that stories would be build around the persona of each family member, and that members of the family would interact with members of other families, in a community environment. Things could happen that would aaffect the whole cummunity and the people living there. It would need to be done with a corresponding website, where the stories are developed and published -- or something along this ine.
[10:38] Ida Recreant: Jazz, there's a star trek academy here? Open to all?
[10:38] Kate Bradley: Ilene- We expected this to be about policies in SL. Is that another session?
[10:38] Kayellen Ewing: Do you realize how easy it is to get a speaker in from a foreign country in SL?
[10:38] Ilene Pratt: Ok... we don't have to restrict our communication to these SL sessions. We have a blog... http://tltgslworkshop.blogspot.com
[10:39] Drew Rodinia: Kate, we'd like to discuss those too.
[10:39] Ilene Pratt: Kate, we can talk about some examples of policies!
[10:39] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: i havent been there but i think so! :)
[10:39] SteveGilbertSir Heron: So it will be useful in the next 2 weeks to "see" or participate in SL educational activities, no matter how rudimentary, that go beyond what we could do before having access to SL (ie, beyond text chat)
[10:39] Ida Recreant: Drew, should we send those objectives to you to post in the blog? Or bring them to the next session?
[10:39] Kayellen Ewing: Yes
[10:39] You: What was that blog address again?
[10:39] Meghan Forder: will the log of this conversation be online at TLT's website?
[10:39] JuliaJ Jewell: Steve, yes
[10:39] Drew Rodinia: We can do both at the same time...explore options in SL (keeping our objectives in mind), and discussing policies.
[10:39] Ilene Pratt: http://tltgslworkshop.blogspot.com
[10:39] Joe Cupola: Nea sounds like you already have some clear objectives and activites already worked out.
[10:40] Ilene Pratt: I fall goes welll, I will be posting a transcript of this!
[10:40] Drew Rodinia: Kate, was there a particular policy area you wanted to begin with?
[10:40] Drew Rodinia: We want to make this fit with your own needs.
[10:41] Ida Recreant: I think it's hard to set policies when we're not sure what we're going to do . . .
[10:41] Ilene Pratt: One educator remarked that she never thought she'd put "don't come to class naked" on a syllabus ;)
[10:41] Computer Jewell: lol
[10:41] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: :)
[10:41] JuliaJ Jewell: Ilene, LOL... or, don't shoot during classtime
[10:41] Ida Recreant: That's funny!
[10:41] Kate Bradley: well- we are in the process of trying to establish policies for our university in SL
[10:41] Drew Rodinia: Yes, no guns/explosives in the classroom!
[10:41] Ida Recreant: Wow, I didn't even think of those things . . .
[10:41] Kate Bradley: we are wondering about support issues, allocating space, etc
[10:41] Drew Rodinia: Kate, got it...let's get into that, then
[10:41] Dunora Allen: Those are interesting considerations!
[10:42] Ida Recreant: I guess we could start with the SL rules and ask students to abide by those.
[10:42] Kate Bradley: great
[10:42] Janice Binder: For future sessions, would it be possible to have some kind of outline? Maybe give some time to each of those with pertinent expertise to have some uninterrupted presentation time?
[10:42] Drew Rodinia: Kate, does your university already have its own island? Or is it sharing space? Or just thinking about it?
[10:42] Kate Bradley: we have an island
[10:42] You: Where are you from, Kate?
[10:42] Kate Bradley: louisville, KY
[10:42] You: What university?
[10:42] Drew Rodinia: Kate, ok, let's address the support issue....
[10:42] Kate Bradley: university of louisville
[10:42] Computer Jewell: I would like to see or hear about your experiences in 2L
[10:43] Dunora Allen: I believe that our university is still in the planning stages for an "official" presence.
[10:43] Diane42b Vollmar: i'm sorry but i had to leave a bit early toay. thanks everyone
[10:43] Drew Rodinia: do you mean staff to support it? Installing the software? Or helping students? Or helping faculty? Or some other kind of support?
[10:43] Laureen Yiyuan: all of that
[10:43] Drew Rodinia: Laureen, LOL, yeah, I figured.
[10:43] JuliaJ Jewell: Drew, all of the above
[10:43] Kate Bradley: all of the above, we are espceially interested in tech support issues
[10:44] Ilene Pratt: You might need sP.S. I'm going to start handing out a notecard with a virtual web quest on it. Accept it, ok?
[10:44] Ida Recreant: Take care, Diane
[10:44] Joe Cupola: well do you have tech support people at your institutions?
[10:44] Drew Rodinia: ok....how do you support the other tools you already have? Such as PC software, webservers, Blackboard stuff?
[10:44] Laureen Yiyuan: what is sPS
[10:44] Drew Rodinia: (Yes, please accept the notecard that Ilene is giving out)
[10:44] Ilene Pratt gave you Virtual Web Quest.
[10:44] Drew Rodinia: Laureen, I think Ilene was typing "P.S."...it got too close to the "s"
[10:45] Laureen Yiyuan: she is literally handing it out or should I have gotten a pop up card or something?
[10:45] Dunora Allen: I just noticed on our events calendar that our faculty center has a seminar scheduled on second life for the end of July.
[10:45] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: we could make videos on you tube :)
[10:45] Kate Bradley: we have a limited staff- we support Bb- but we do not have staff to support SL
[10:45] Drew Rodinia: You should get a popup on your screen that asks you to accept or discard the notecard.
[10:46] Drew Rodinia: Kate, understood.
[10:46] Dunora Allen: Drew, not yet.
[10:46] Drew Rodinia: Kate, is the staff who supports Bb willing to add SL to their workload?
[10:46] Joe Cupola: she's still handing them out Dunora
[10:46] Laureen Yiyuan: I am the blackboard support and I will be supporting a professor if he decides to do it, yikes!
[10:46] Ida Recreant: Kate, Drew, that's another reason I think cross-universities collaboaration could be helpful; maybe a nightmare to administer . . .
[10:46] Kate Bradley: besides, the learning curve in SL is very high- how can we expect the faculty to learn to be able to do the things the want to accomplish in their SL class?
[10:46] Drew Rodinia: Laureen, are you worried about the time involved?
[10:47] Drew Rodinia: Kate, good point. But isn't the learning curve to learn Blackboard high, too?
[10:47] Laureen Yiyuan: at this time, yes,
[10:47] Drew Rodinia: Can you set up the same kind of support for SL that you would for Bb?
[10:47] Kate Bradley: no, Bb is very easy
[10:47] Dunora Allen: I think that there is more official support for blackboard support, though.
[10:47] Kate Bradley: user friendly
[10:47] Ida Recreant: Kate, I agree, it didn't seem that hard, even for faculty who were not tech savvy
[10:47] Drew Rodinia: so, we've got some issues of "official support" here....hmmm, I don't know, I know of some faculty who find Blackboard hard to use!
[10:47] Laureen Yiyuan: there are layers of support, I'm front line, then there are otheres, but not for SL
[10:48] Dunora Allen: Exactly - blackboard (and our Webct) is an official university product, and has the aministration's support, but second life does not, yet.
[10:48] Kate Bradley: this is an important issue for us and SL will probably not be used by faculry unless we can solve this somehow
[10:48] Drew Rodinia: for instance, I used to teach in a department where several of the faculty depended heavily on others to put things into their Bb courses
[10:48] Laureen Yiyuan: I'm embedded in two areas, ed admin and ed psych they don't take well to BB
[10:49] Drew Rodinia: Dunora, so my question becomes...how did Bb get the admin support? It didn't happen all at once, right?
[10:49] Nea Munro: I presented my idea for a community of practice in SL at a recent Nursing in COmputing conference (Rutgers) and generated a lot of interest. I am now putting together a mailing list for those interested in learning more about this, or participating. If you want to be included, let me know.
[10:49] Ariadne Yiyuan: I did a presentation for my division and not one person lit up.
[10:49] Ilene Pratt: Nea there are some people here in our college of public health who are really interested in SL.
[10:49] Drew Rodinia: At most schools, isn't it done with some experimenting, some success, and then, you present to the admin to get more support?
[10:49] Ida Recreant: Nea, I'm interested, even though that's not my field. The nursing faculty here are innovative and always interested in new things
[10:49] Kate Bradley: the Bb support is all internal, at first we paid Bb to do it for us
[10:50] Drew Rodinia: Kate, ah!
[10:50] Drew Rodinia: Kate, but who trained the faculty in using Bb?
[10:50] Drew Rodinia: at our school, there wer eendless Bb classes for faculty
[10:50] Computer Jewell: I am interested in the nursing also.
[10:50] Dunora Allen: We are a large university, and we have WebCT courses for faculty.
[10:50] Kate Bradley: we trained them
[10:50] Dunora Allen: You have to take our IDL course to be able to teach in WebCT
[10:50] Nea Munro: Great Ida, I will put you on my list. I will extend friendship,, as well, so we can be connected more easily.
[10:50] Laureen Yiyuan: it is like distance education use to be from the bottom up
[10:50] Drew Rodinia: I think SL training looks more difficult because it's "messier".
[10:51] Laureen Yiyuan: creative people went for it and others followed
[10:51] Ilene Pratt: Drew, but.. .there are some skills/competencies that you can list.
[10:51] Drew Rodinia: so we need help in creating collaborative tools to train educators in the use of SL, maybe?
[10:51] Dunora Allen: I agree, Drew, and selling it to the administration is more difficult. It's ok for us to "mess around with it" but official support?
[10:51] Drew Rodinia: Ilene, yup....talking, moving, building.
[10:51] Ariadne Yiyuan: That's an excellent idea.
[10:51] You: Is there a list of "basic skills" somewhere?
[10:51] Kate Bradley: DRew- I think the learning curve for SL is much bigger than Bb. I cannot imagine faculty learning scripting to accomplish something for their class. Even building will be hard for some
[10:52] Drew Rodinia: Dunora, I think that comes with enough time. Just think about how that worked with the Web itself!
[10:52] Ilene Pratt: I know where to get some lists of skills!
[10:52] Computer Jewell: Where
[10:52] Ida Recreant: Ilene, I'd like that list.
[10:52] Dunora Allen: Even if we had a list of basic skills that you could cross off, that would be some help.
[10:52] Computer Jewell: Me too
[10:52] Drew Rodinia: Kate, ok, maybe we should compare it to the Web. Most faculty don't know how to build their own websites.
[10:52] Kate Bradley: Drew- if students have problems in SL, who will they go to? It is not our server and we have no control over some issues.
[10:52] JuliaJ Jewell: me three
[10:52] Laureen Yiyuan: I haven't gotten the last note card and would like that list also
[10:52] Ida Recreant: I still think we're jumping the gun a little bit--it seems to me we have to decide what uses are available in SL that aren't currently available--then we can talk more about support and training.
[10:52] Jo Constellation: Ditto here
[10:52] Ilene Pratt: Kate, that's a good point. You are at the mercy of the SL
[10:52] Ilene Pratt: Kate, that's a good point. You are at the mercy of the SL servers.
[10:53] Drew Rodinia: Kate, I see your point. But we do use many products at our institution that are not on our own servers. Library databses, for instance.
[10:53] Kate Bradley: faculty don't build web pages for their class thoug- they just use Bb- much easier
[10:53] Dunora Allen: They are used to getting help for their gaming communities, though (at least some of them are). I hate to generalize like that, but they do seem to deal with "HELP" a bit differently than I do.
[10:53] Drew Rodinia: Ida, well, I'm all for doing both kinds of discussions at the same time. I know that some folks don't want to get involved in SL unless they can envision how they will support it.
[10:54] Drew Rodinia: Dunora, maybe it's the "older" students we're most worried about?
[10:54] Drew Rodinia: is there anyone else who did not get the notecard from Ilene?
[10:54] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: me
[10:54] Janice Binder: I didn't get it yet.
[10:54] Laureen Yiyuan: I think we have to be pioneers on this one. do it with the condition of being experimental
[10:54] Jo Constellation: No notecard
[10:54] Sher Kohnke: I didn't get the note card
[10:54] Ida Recreant: Drew that's a valid point--we have to consider those issues; but I'm still lost with what we will do. We must have a team to support it though, so those issues must be considered somewhere. We also have to consider cost.
[10:54] You: Ilene - did you send out a basic skills notecard?
[10:54] Dunora Allen: And should be. I have a lot of students in my tech writing class who surprise me with their level of tech skills (lack, mostly)
[10:55] Drew Rodinia: ok, Ilene will get the notecards to those who didn't get it yet
[10:55] Dunora Allen: I didn't get that one.
[10:55] You: Me either
[10:55] Ilene Pratt: I'm trying...
[10:55] Ida Recreant: I didn't get the notecard,
[10:55] You: ;)
[10:55] Drew Rodinia: hey, at least I didn't ask everyone to raise their hand who didn't get the handout!
[10:56] Jo Constellation: Maybe you should - this seems to be mostly chat activity.
[10:56] Drew Rodinia: ok, we're near the end of the time, so let me summarize some stuff, and talk about your "homework"....
[10:56] Nea Munro: There are people here whom I don't believe I've heard anything from. What do you think of this discussion?
[10:56] Janice Binder: It's interesting that this is called a "Web Quest." Seems like it should have a different name, like SLQuest.
[10:56] Drew Rodinia: as I mentioned earlier, I think it's vital that you identify what your educational objectives are, so that you can keep them in mind as you explore...
[10:56] Ilene Pratt: Haha! Ok.... To read the notecard... You can search for the Virtual Web Quest notecard by clicking on your inventory button and typing in virtual web quest.
[10:57] Hydrangea Lane: We are nearing the end of the hour - I will post the URL for the session website.
[10:57] Drew Rodinia: the handout from Ilene will give you some places to visit for exploration...
[10:57] Hydrangea Lane: http://www.tltgroup.org/OLI/2007Workshops/sl_education/home.htm
[10:57] Ilene Pratt: Yes, it is an SL quest - but based on the old "web quest" idea
[10:57] Carpe Writer: I agree that an tentitve outline at the beginning would be useful
[10:57] Drew Rodinia: and next week, we'll ask everyone to talk about what they discovered and how they might use those ideas.
[10:57] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[10:57] Janice Binder: Yes, I agree with Carpe!!
[10:57] Drew Rodinia: we'll also keep the discussion goin gabout policies...probably some area outside of just support.
[10:57] Hydrangea Lane: I will also keep the Adobe Room open if anyone wants to continue the session in there if we have to leave this room.
[10:58] Drew Rodinia: we'll put the outline on the blog, if that works for everyone...does that make sense, Ilene?
[10:58] Computer Jewell: ok
[10:58] Hydrangea Lane: Drew - Ilene -Joe - do you want to say a few closing thoughts in case some folks have to leave?
[10:58] Ilene Pratt: Yes!
[10:58] Drew Rodinia: well, I've probably talked enough! LOL...but Ilene and Joe should.
[10:58] Ilene Pratt: Ok.. this was.. .open-ended, huh? But hopefully helpful to find out what everyone's thinking... and...
[10:59] Ilene Pratt: we've already seen a few people who are ready to collaborate in some way... and...
[10:59] Ilene Pratt: we'll post some things on the blog, etc.... If...
[10:59] Ilene Pratt: there are more questions, please let us know! Email works! ifrank@lib.usf.edu
[10:59] Ilene Pratt: And if anyone sees us online during the week, say hi! Send an IM
[11:00] Joe Cupola: It sounds like people already have some interesting ideas for using 2L for teaching and collaboration.
[11:00] Ilene Pratt: I think I got most everyone into the TLTGroup - and you can click on yourself and see who's online in th eTLTGroup
[11:00] Drew Rodinia: and we'll follow up regarding the work with Health Info Island, I hope
[11:00] Joe Cupola: you just have to explore and interact. That's the one thing that's going to help you thru the learning curve here.
[11:00] AmsDiane Gustafson: My I have a notecard, please?
[11:01] Ilene Pratt: Oops - let me try!
[11:01] Drew Rodinia: one of the policy issues I'd like to talk about next week is how to address the learning curve.
[11:01] Janice Binder: Thanks, Drew.
[11:01] Nea Munro: I hear there is a plan to build a virtual hosptial on health infor island - so we should follow up on that.
[11:01] Computer Jewell: That would be good.
[11:01] Dunora Allen: That seems to be one that most of us would be interested in, Drew.
[11:02] Ilene Pratt: Any last thoughts for this session?
[11:02] Kayellen Ewing: Did we get a list?
[11:02] You: How can we save the transcript?
[11:02] Laureen Yiyuan: I want to be able to have some idea what to tell a professor about how to get started
[11:03] Joe Cupola is Offline
[11:03] Laureen Yiyuan: costs, support, where to "learn" more
[11:03] Ilene Pratt: To save a transcript, click HISTORY and copy and paste the contents into a word processor
[11:03] Computer Jewell: and why should they consider this.
[11:03] You: I keep trying that and it'll only let me copy a portion of it.
[11:03] Ida Recreant: Ilene, could I get a notecard also?
[11:03] Hydrangea Lane: Thanks to everyone who participated today - and thank you to Drew, Ilene & Joe for the session today - we will see everyone next week. I will send out session instructions next week.
[11:03] Drew Rodinia: thanks, Hydrangea!
[11:03] Ilene Pratt: Yeah you might have to highlight some and copy and paste - and then grab some more.
[11:03] Computer Jewell: Thank you
[11:04] Ida Recreant: Thank you everyone.
[11:04] Ariadne Yiyuan: Thanks you.
[11:04] Carpe Writer: Thanks!
[11:04] Jazz9Ometeotl Loon: ty! :)
[11:04] Ilene Pratt: Yikes! I hope I got everyone with the notecard !
[11:04] Ida Recreant: Thanks Ilene.
[11:05] Sher Kohnke: No notecard yet.
[11:05] Ida Recreant is Offline
[11:05] Ilene Pratt: Ok... Sher... Let me see if I can get it to you.
[11:05] Percival's Short Bench: Right click me and choose 'Sit Here' to sit down
[11:05] Sher Kohnke: Thanks I got the note card
[11:06] Ilene Pratt: Ok! If anyone wants to hang around for a bit in the Acrobat software, there will be some people chatting there.
[11:06] Ilene Pratt: see you all next week - or maybe we'll meet up before that in Second Life!
[11:06] SteveGilbertSir Heron: bye y'all, I have to get to another meeting! Lots of fascinating ideas, info yet again!
[11:06] JuliaJ Jewell: Thanks Ilene
[11:07] Stella Merlin: Thanks, Drew, Joe & Ilene!
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